TV CONTROVERSIAL DOCUMENTARY ON SAI BABA
English translation of the
full spoken text by Robert Priddy, in consultation with producer Øjvind
(Watch the full Danish
movie (17 MB) online! 54 minutes)
Shown in Denmark on Wednesday, January 30, 2002 at 8:05 pm. and later that year on Norwegian National Television (NRK) three times (NRK1 at 10.20 pm local time with the title "Forført av Sai Baba" on Saturday February 8, 2003 and on the following Saturday evening, February 15 on NRK2). In Australia it was screened by SBS (national TV station) under the title "Seduced By Sai Baba" - on Thursday, February 12, 2004 at 8.30 pm (with English voiceover)
Regardless of the fact that the Sathya Sai Organization did everything
in its power, even through the judicial threats (not implemented), to prevent DR
(Denmark Radio), from broadcasting a critical TV documentary on Sai Baba, it was first broadcast DR's Director, Christian Nissen, stood by the professional integrity of the producers, and a series
of litigation cases and various threats by foremost Sathya Sai Baba leaders
Thorbjörn Meyer Jørgen Trygved (Chairman of the ‘Sai International School’
fund board) repeatedly failed in the Danish law courts. The program notice mentions the Sathya Sai
Baba movement's purchase of the famous Arresødal
castle in Copenhagen, which was to have been used as a 'Sai International
School.' However, because of the public
furore upon the documentary's first airing, the Sai Baba purchasers withdrew
from the deal at the last minute, which was accepted by the municipal owners
of the castle, who by then had regretted the sale contract.
NOTE: The BBC later made a 1-hour documentary called 'The Secret Swami' - shown around the globe on BBC World (but not in Puttaparthi since the Sai Baba authorities there cut the power supplies over which they rule at the exact time of the showing!) The person who appeared under the cover name 'Sam Young' in the following film (Seduced), stood forth with his own name in the BBC film- and his parents along with him. He is Alaya Rahm, son of Al and Marisa Rahm.
The story of Sam Young in the Danish
movie SEDUCED is to be seen on this site, we divided it in three parts. You can read along
the exact words as spoken in the movie, they are marked in
red. Note: WMV files work with Internet Explorer.
Modem (lower) quality:
Sam Young I (1.86 MB, wmv file for Windows Media Player)
Sam Young II (1.85 MB, wmv file for Windows Media Player)
Sam Young III (1.85 MB, wmv file for Windows Media Player)
Broadband (best) quality:
Sam Young I (10.2 MB, wmv file for Windows Media Player)
Sam Young II (7.32 MB, wmv file for Windows Media Player)
Sam Young III (9.40 MB, wmv file for Windows Media Player)
1 00:01:57:00 - 00:01:58:00 The
next programme will be sent with TTV text.
00:02:18:07 An Indian
guru is winning millions of followers around
00:02:23:20 They watch him
perform miracles, like a god. He himself says that he is
4 00:02:23:23 00:02:28:16 A
god who can raise the dead and cure
5 00:02:28:19 00:02:32:06 There
are many among his visitors who are themselves idols.
6 00:02:32:09 00:02:35:12 The
actress Goldie Hawn and Steven Segal of Hollywood -
7 00:02:35:15 00:02:42:10
England’s Duchess of York 'Fergie'
and the millionaire Isaac Tigrett, who started the international chain
of Hard Rock Cafes are examples.
8 00:02:42:13 00:02:46:01 The
movement is expanding in
9 00:02:46:04 00:02:52:21
The businessman Jørgen Trygved, former Superfos manager,
and the actress Margrete Koyto are among
the well-known followers.
10 00:02:52:24 00:02:59:08 But hundreds
of other Danes travel to India annually to experience the guru.
11 00:02:59:11 00:03:03:01 (EMIL
JACOBSEN) “I have heard a lot of good about him. It’s
simply, well... it is the greatest thing.
12 00:03:04:04 00:03:06:13
His name is Sai Baba
13 00:03:06:16 00:03:12:22
A five foot man whose influence is enormous,
14 00:03:13:00 00:03:19:24
He surrounds himself with top politicians, here
Prime Minister. He has his own airport and private
paid for by disciples’ donations. The money also comes from Denmark
16 00:03:24:16 00:03:29:11 Where
Sai Baba is officially accepted as a religious community.
17 00:03:32:23 00:03:36:13 National
Danish Television followed a group of Danish followers to India to the
18 00:03:36:16 00:03:40:22 where
thousands gather to worship Sai
19 00:03:41:00 00:03:45:09 In
this programme we shall look closely into the guru and the
20 00:03:45:12 00:03:50:08
Behind the fine façade
and all the so-called miracles, there are serious allegations.
Edamaruku) Sai Baba is a charlatan. He is an exploiter. He is a
21 00:03:58:01 00:04:04:13 DR
has spoken to previous followers who have been leaders for many
and were at the top of Sai Baba’s
22 00:04:04:16 00:04:08:09 They
tell of swindle and of sexual molestation of young disciples.
Sai Baba has been a personal catastrope for me. He has
violated me both physically and psychically.
(Title of film is shown on screen
- FORFØRT) SEDUCED
23 00:04:41:13 00:04:48:07 Arresødal
castle in North Sjaelland has just been bought up by the Sai Baba
movement for over 15 million kroner. (TRANS.
’over £1½ million)
00:04:52:12 The movement will
transform the castle into a high
25 00:04:52:15 00:04:57:10 -
as a religious community recognised by the state,
financial donations to Sai Baba are tax exempt.
So Danish taxpayers are also helping to
pay for the
27 00:05:02:19 00:05:08:01 (HELGE
FRIIS, THE MAYOR):-They have taken over one of the most valuable
properties in the town.
28 00:05:08:04 00:05:11:09 'Valuable'
in the human connotation.
29 00:05:11:12 00:05:15:24
The founder of the town lived in the house.
30 00:05:16:02 00:05:20:06
When first they appeared, I did not know who they
31 00:05:20:09 00:05:25:21
They wanted to buy the property under cover of starting
a high school.
32 00:05:25:24 00:05:31:10
They do not honestly tell much about who they are...
only that they have no connection with Tvind, )a company accused of
swindling with public funds.
33 00:05:31:13 00:05:39:12
Only at the end of the meeting was I given a
the back cover of which was a picture of Sai
34 00:05:44:03 00:05:50:08 (LIDVIN
VIRKESDAL, travel leader) And welcome to our travel meeting.
35 00:05:50:11 00:05:55:18
At Næstved, a group of Danes are preparing their journey
to Sai Baba’s
headquarters in India. Price D.Kr. 10,000. It is 14 days before
(LIDVIN VIRKESDAL, travel leader) You can joyfully
anticipate it. This is the first trip to India
for some of you. Others have been there two,
three, four, five or however many times I don’t know. This is my trip
followers regard Baba as God.
37 00:06:11:16 00:06:17:06 Because of
this program’s compromising statements about Baba, some of the followers
have regretted their partication -
38 00:06:17:09 00:06:22:22
Therefore some of the pictures are masked, but not all
39 00:06:23:00 00:06:27:18 (A BOY,
EMIL) Will we meet Sai Baba? Will he see us?
(LIDVIN VIRKESDAL) Oh, you can bet he will
see you. He says that you sit here and believe that I am not aware of
your presence. But he is – totally. If you only knew what I have
experienced during my 49 visits down there! I have taken people with
cancer to interviews, who have become healthy. I have had people with me
who have been blind, who got back their sight on the spot.”
40 00:07:05:01 00:07:11:15 The tour leader,
the Norwegian Lidvin Virkesdal, lives from taking Danes down to Sai
41 00:07:11:18 00:07:17:08 He claims that the
guru cured him of cancer -
and I knew from that day onwards that I was completely healthy. I
always say that there is no one who travels down there who comes home as
the same person.
42 00:07:33:06 00:07:37:06 (Hostess)
How many are you? Twenty-six. It’ll be
43 00:07:37:09 00:07:39:15
Are you scared of flying?
(LIDVIN VIRKESDAL) Never, for the simple
reason that Baba is with us on our trip in any case. The reason for this
has to do with a twin-engined Boeing 737 in 1997
in South America. It lost power in one motor, and a Boeing 737 can fly
with one motor left. The problem was that the other motor also stopped,
and then it goes only one way, down. But one of the stewardesses was a
Sai Baba devotee and she called on him. Just after that they could see
Sai Baba in the clouds beyond the wing of the airplane. The first motor
then started, and then the other, and Baba was with the plane in the
clouds for 20 minutes. Everyone saw it. There is Baba in the clouds.
44 00:08:51:22 00:08:54:24 We are in the South
Indian town, Puttaparthi,
45 00:08:55:02 00:08:59:22 which
is the headquarters of Sai Baba and his movement.
46 00:09:06:17 00:09:12:24 Puttaparthi was
once a little village. Now there are always 10 to 20 thousand disciples
At special festivals, over a million
followers gather in the town. (Trans. Note
Completely wrong figure. Max. 300,000
48 00:09:28:02 00:09:35:01
The disciples fill the streets twice daily when they
come out of the temple area, the so-called ashram.
49 00:09:35:04 00:09:42:03 Men
disciples have to be clothed in white and the women must cover their
shoulders and legs.
50 00:09:53:05 00:09:59:21 Everything
here in Puttaparthi is about Sai Baba and his various messages
51 00:09:59:24 00:10:06:11 The
tourist industry flourishes in the streets. There are shops
52 00:10:06:14 00:10:11:01 One
can, for example, buy a cd on which the guru himself sings.
53 00:10:17:00 00:10:22:01
The dots here mark Sai Baba organisation
around most of the
54 00:10:22:04 00:10:27:02
It is thought that there are 30 millions followers.
(Translator - not more than ca. 3 million,
55 00:10:29:23 00:10:36:05
From followers’ financial donations, Sai Baba has
accumulated goods amounting to and estimated more than 15 billion Danish
56 00:10:36:08 00:10:39:17
Among other things, he has built this private hospital.
57 00:10:39:20 00:10:43:00
The hospital was recently inaugurated by India’s Prime
58 00:10:43:03 00:10:47:03
And is held up by followers as an example of Sai Baba’s
59 00:10:47:06 00:10:53:14
Within it no one is left in doubt as to who to thank for
60 00:11:01:18 00:11:05:20
Sai Baba erected another hospital before this one with
61 00:11:05:23 00:11:10:15
- for transplants and heart
62 00:11:11:18 00:11:16:22
He also has his own airport with regular flights
Bombay, India’s largest
63 00:11:17:00 00:11:24:05
Here is a planetarium, a music school, high
higher colleges, primarily for boys and young
The ashram lies below the guru’s museum -
65 00:11:31:24 00:11:36:20 - the temple, where
Sai Baba lives and appears for his followers.
Baba does the miracles that prove his
divinity inside the
67 00:11:45:23 00:11:51:03
Out of his hands come watches, jewellry and holy ash,
68 00:11:51:06 00:11:57:05
- which he claims cures disciples of mortal
69 00:11:59:24 00:12:04:06
Followers have written their deepest wishes in
70 00:12:04:09 00:12:09:23 which
they hope that Sai Baba will receive and fulfil their wishes.
71 00:12:12:15 00:12:16:11 DR
Documentaries would have liked to film these so-called 'miracles'.
72 00:12:16:14 00:12:21:09 But
Sai Baba’s press officer, Chakravarthi, denied DR the
right to film inside the ashram
73 00:12:21:12 00:12:24:22
-or make other recordings of Sai Baba.
74 00:12:25:00 00:12:30:14 Instead,
we have obtained pictures of the guru for this programme through
previous and present disciples.
75 00:12:41:00 00:12:45:24
It is 4 o’clock in the morning. The Danes are on
way to the temple
76 00:12:46:02 00:12:49:07 to
see Sai Baba and experience his
77 00:12:49:10 00:12:56:19 They
got up early to get places. At 4 a.m. it is yet three hours
guru will show
78 00:13:02:19 00:13:08:21
As said, we would liked to have followed them through
the gate, but our camera’s entry was barred here.
79 00:13:09:24 00:13:16:17
Instead, we returned to the gathering in the
after the Danes had experienced Sai
80 00:13:16:20 00:13:23:00 (GUNNAR
MORITSEN, AN ACCOUNTANT) I have to admit that, emotionally,
when he took my letter and said: Please, come forward...
81 00:13:23:03 00:13:27:15 So
when I sat down, things simply went up and down in my chest and
were about to come
82 00:13:27:18 00:13:35:09 -
for it was so powerful, the eye contact I had with him.
83 00:13:35:12 00:13:41:15 But
I believe sort of that I have had a whole lot that went up and
the connection between my solar plexus and my heart sort of
84 00:13:41:18 00:13:44:19 Very
definitely a positive
letters, two after one another. It is quite fantastic.
Yes, it is fantastic. You are very priviliged.
86 00:13:53:08 00:13:57:22 Others
tell that they were filled with pleasure when they saw Sai Baba.
87 00:13:58:00 00:14:00:12 and one says, now
she has seen God.
88 00:14:09:10 00:14:12:01 (EDEL SAABY – WIDOW
and PENSIONER) I have been down here five times.
89 00:14:12:04 00:14:16:02
And the greatest experience, that occurred the second
90 00:14:16:05 00:14:19:10 I
was lying down after dinner and reading a crime
91 00:14:19:13 00:14:23:17
I put it aside and half-closed my
92 00:14:23:20 00:14:30:07
Then I saw Sai Baba’s face wavering before me twice.
93 00:14:30:10 00:14:33:11
And he smiled at
94 00:14:33:14 00:14:39:05
And I opened my eyes too, to see whether he was still
there. He was.
95 00:14:39:08 00:14:47:06
It probably lasted about four seconds or so. It
fact the greatest experience I have
96 00:14:48:10 00:14:53:22 No
one in the Danish group questioned Sai Baba while we followed
97 00:14:54:00 00:14:58:24 Apparently,
the only sceptic was the youngest of the group, 12 years old.
schoolboy)) He did not mean quite as much to me as I had thought
99 00:15:03:17 00:15:08:10 Seeing
him in reality was no different from seeing a picture of him.
100 00:15:08:13 00:15:12:23 But
ten minutes, that is too little. He could well have held a talk.
101 00:15:13:01 00:15:15:21 Said
some divine words. Say something or other from some
103 00:15:20:16 00:15:25:19 According to
Lidvin, he says so many wise things, and I think he could have done
something about that.
104 00:15:25:22 00:15:30:14 (COMMENTATOR) In
India there are very few who dare to criticise Sai Baba.
00:15:36:17 One reason for this
is the guru’s political influence, which goes right to the top
106 00:15:36:20 00:15:42:04 Both the present
and previous Prime Ministers are frequent guests at Sai Baba’s
107 00:15:42:07 00:15:47:08 One of the few
Indians who speaks out critically in public is this man.
108 00:15:47:11 00:15:53:16 He is an author and
the chairman for a movement of critics of Sai Baba. Sanal Edamaruku,
General secretary in India’s Rationalist Association,
(SANAL EDAMARUKU) "SB
is a charlatan, a cheat, a scoundrel, preying on the gullibility
common man. And he is an exploiter class one. From the prime
to the presidents to chief justices in our Supreme Court, we
have a lot
of devotees of SB and his influence is very
109 00:16:13:07 00:16:16:17 (COMMENTATOR)
“He also has influence over the
110 00:16:16:20 00:16:22:16 This clip
was removed from a State TV programme because it caused doubts about the
111 00:16:22:19 00:16:25:07 One sees Sai Baba
get the chain in his hand
112 00:16:25:10 00:16:29:23 Which he
subsequently pretends to materialise.
113 00:16:31:11 00:16:36:18 Danish Radio
Documentaries has gone through a number of pieces of footage with a
00:16:41:15 To a professional
it is obvious that Sai Baba uses sleight of hand, not
KRØJGAARD, CONJURER) Here we see Sai Baba come over to one of his
assistants and receive the gift he will hand over.
116 00:16:48:17 00:16:52:13 He
tries to find the chain, hidden by his right hand,with his left hand.
117 00:16:52:16 00:16:57:01 As
soon as he gets hold of it – he drops it across to the right hand
118 - 00:16:57:04 00:17:00:21 and
materialises – or as it really is - conjures up the
119 00:17:03:14 00:17:08:18
(COMMENTATOR) Another of Sai Baba’s miracles is when he
produces holy ash.
120 00:17:08:21 00:17:12:22
Note Goldie Hawn in the
121 00:17:18:20 00:17:21:21 (NILS
KRØJGAARD) Before me I have a heap of
122 00:17:21:24 00:17:25:13 The
ash is fluffy, insubstantial material.
123 00:17:25:16 00:17:29:21 If
you compress the ash, then you can make such tablets.
124 00:17:29:24 00:17:33:22
Such a tablet can be hidden in the hand and one can move
125 00:17:34:00 00:17:37:14 -
without losing the
126 00:17:43:05 00:17:47:17 You
see the pill of ash between the
127 00:17:53:12 00:17:56:14 Here
128 00:18:05:11 00:18:10:17 Sai
Baba hides the ash pills in his closed left
129 00:18:10:20 00:18:15:09 He
takes a pill over to his right
130 00:18:29:11 00:18:34:09 According
to the conjurer, the same occurs here, camouflaged by a
131 00:18:35:16 00:18:40:02 The
followers apparently discover nothing.
132 00:18:40:05 00:18:46:08 (NILS
KRØJGAARD) They are totally
They don’t notice his
133 00:18:46:11 00:18:52:17 All they
concentrate on is getting a glimpse of Sai Baba, their God.
134 00:18:52:20 00:18:58:10
As a conjurer, one works to distract the watchers’ - the
135 00:18:58:13 00:19:01:17 Sai
Baba does not need that at
136 00:19:12:16 00:19:15:24 The
Danish group is on an
137 00:19:54:06 00:20:01:17 The
following morning they shall see miracles. The group has been told that
Sai Baba never sleeps and is never ill.
(LIDVIN VIRKESDAL) When Baba walks in sand or gravel, in the rain for
example, his feet are never dirtied. Never. You never see a videofilm
where he is walking in the rain and his feet are dirty.”
"We have here an impression of Baba’s feet, and
amrit is seeping from them."
138 00:20:22:00 00:20:28:18
Amrit is the nectar of the gods. Participants are told
that this is a Miracle and that the amrit can heal.
(LIDVIN VIRKESDAL) "When
you write a letter to Baba, you should always end it with
‘Always at your lotus feet’."
139 00:20:45:04 00:20:48:21
The lotus feet are at the Thief’s Temple.
140 00:20:51:00 00:20:55:03
It is called the thief’s temple, because it was constructed by this
141 :20:55:06 00:21:00:03
- who was a thief, until he met Sai Baba, who asked him
to build a temple.
142 00:21:02:09 00:21:07:07 They are told that
this picture of Sai Baba gets miraculously covered in holy ash every
143 00:21:07:10 00:21:13:15
and that the ash falls down when one sings
Baba, as a sign of his divine presence .
144 00:21:58:17 00:22:05:01 The travel party
later receive ash to take home.
145 00:22:07:13 00:22:15:07 The temple owner
takes some amulets and puts them on the followers’ palms. Again the
fluid is the so-called amrit.
146 00:22:25:23 00:22:31:23 Some
of the followers are convinced that the amrit continues to flow
Baba’s amuletter by some miraculous and inexplicable
148 00:22:35:24 00:22:40:24
As with the ash, the travel party takes liquid
home in bottles they brought
149 00:22:41:02 00:22:46:01 They
are told that it can heal illnesses.
(LIDVIN VIRKESDAL) "He
has removed it. He has removed the amulet, but it keeps coming."
150 00:22:52:23 00:22:56:22 (JOURNALIST)
You do not know from where it comes? Is it coming from
your own hand, then?
(LIDVIN VIRKESDAL) Don’t ask me.”
151 00:23:00:10 00:23:06:04 (GUNNAR
MORITSEN) I had that amulet there put in my hand. Then
nectar suddenly began to flow out of it -
152 00:23:06:07 00:23:09:17 - as if it came
directly from the amulet.
153 00:23:11:15 00:23:17:18 I don’t know how it
happens. It just seems completely strange. A peculiar sense that it
154 00:23:17:21 00:23:22:00 It’s something that
simply cannot be understood at all, and I certainly don`t.
155 00:23:22:03 00:23:25:18 So it is something
of a miracle.
156 00:23:25:21 00:23:32:12 (NILS KRØJGAARD)
I have also manufactured my own amrit and likewise have also made some
157 00:23:32:15 00:23:36:16 They
are made from a spoon. It is oval and has a slight concavity.
158 00:23:36:19 00:23:39:22 That is to say, the
amrit can collect in the concavity here.
159 00:23:40:00 00:23:45:19 We shall observe
once more how the thief gives the amulets to the followers.
160 00:23:45:22 00:23:50:17 He uses a spoon,
which he dips in a jar full of sugar water as we see here.
161 00:23:50:20 00:23:54:07 Everyone who has
tried to put sirup on a pancake knows -
162 00:23:54:10 00:23:59:07 how long it takes
for the sirup to run from the spoon.
163 00:23:59:10 00:24:02:10 It can keep on
sticking there for a relatively long time.
164 00:24:02:13 00:24:06:05 We put it down into
the saucer with amrit.
165 00:24:06:08 00:24:10:00 Now I put the
amulet in place. Here it is.
166 00:24:10:03 00:24:15:05 And see, when the
hand is level, then nothing happens.
167 00:24:15:08 00:24:22:21 But as soon as one
begins to slope the hand, the amrit begins to run, as slowly as this
from the hand.
168 00:24:22:24 00:24:27:06 It is remarkable
for how long the amrit continues to run.
169 00:24:28:21 00:24:33:11 Because the travel
group were told that both the amrit and the ash have healing properties,
170 00:24:33:14 00:24:37:22
We had both things analysed by the
Danish Veterinary and Food Administration
171 00:24:38:00 00:24:43:09 The amrit consisted
in water and sugar. The ash was mostly chalk.
172 00:24:43:12 00:24:46:13
(ERIK DAHM, HEAD OF THE LABORATORY) We do not know with complete
certainty whether it is ash. It could be ash.
173 00:24:46:16 00:24:52:07
We have investigated the powder for mineral content.
174 00:24:52:10 00:24:56:16
It contains a number of minerals, primarily calcium,
175 00:24:56:19 00:25:01:24
Apart from that, our investigations have been unable to
show any extraordinary thing that has special healing properties.
176 00:25:07:02 00:25:10:15 (NILS
KRØJGAARD) Sai Baba does many different
177 00:25:10:18 00:25:15:00
For example, he often borrows a silver ring from a
178 00:25:15:03 00:25:21:07
He takes the silver ring and quietly and gently
and suddenly it is transformed into a gold
179 00:25:21:10 00:25:27:16
This can obviously not be done without both a
ring and a gold ring. We shall now see
180 00:25:29:09 00:25:35:03
Here we see Sai Baba borrow a silver ring from one of
00:25:40:00 So that all who are
present in the room here can be sure it is a silver ring
182 00:25:40:03 00:25:42:22
- to make the miracle as great as possible
183 00:25:43:00 00:25:48:01
Baba now shows the silver ring to his disciples
in front of him, so as really to see
184 00:25:48:04 00:25:51:15
that the ring is made of
185 00:25:51:18 00:25:57:08
In a moment we will see Sai Baba conjuring the ring into
a gold one.
186 00:25:57:11 00:26:02:08
Note that, in a moment, his right hand is tightly
187 00:26:02:11 00:26:08:11
One can clearly see that he is hiding a ring in his
188 00:26:08:14 00:26:14:05
He is just going to be kissed a last time.
(TRANSLATOR - This is a comment on a lady who
kisses SB’s hand) Then he gets the ring...
00:26:18:17 There is the hand
which is tightly closed. And then he gets the ring. He gets it
190 00:26:18:20 00:26:23:18
Note too that the silver ring comes down behind the
cushion in the chair.
191 00:26:23:21 00:26:28:24
He blows on the ring and it turns into
192 00:26:29:02 00:26:31:16
As one can see, people believe that it is a
193 00:26:31:19 00:26:35:18
But it is simple conjuring. Not only that, but he
fumbles and so
194 00:26:35:21 00:26:42:19 has materialised or
conjured forth a gold ring that that doesn’t fit at all and is a number
(LIDVIN VIRKESDAL) "It was also in the newspapers
here at home. Everyone saw it. And here is the picture of it. That is
Baba in the clouds."
195 00:26:56:08 00:27:03:20
The picture is regarded by followers as proof that Sai
Baba saved the plane. What do two professional photographers say?
196 00:27:03:23 00:27:08:22
(HEINE PEDERSEN - PHOTOGRAPHER)None of this has any
value as documentation.
00:27:12:11 It is an unclear
picture of a man with some clouds in the
198 00:27:12:14 00:27:18:24 (HENRIK
SAXGREN - PHOTOGRAPHER) Photography... everyone constructs each their
own story from a photograph.
199 00:27:19:02 00:27:23:10 It is a bit hard to
see how it is produced.
200 00:27:23:13 00:27:28:14 but I see that
there are two possibilities. The pictures are either superimposed on one
201 00:27:28:17 00:27:32:22 - one picture of a
man and one picture of some clouds – as we have all done (double
exposure) to take one picture on top of another,
202 00:27:33:00 00:27:37:23 or else they are
most likely produced in a computer, where one... and it is highly
This can be done very easily in any home
204 00:27:42:14 00:27:45:15 ...
put the pictures together, fake
205 00:28:09:06 00:28:15:24
But there are much more serious allegations
Baba, accusations of sexual
206 00:28:16:02 00:28:21:13 The
guru is known for daily selecting disciples to take to a
207 00:28:21:16 00:28:24:08 The
interviews take place alone in a room with Sai Baba -
208 00:28:24:11 00:28:30:02 -
and are regarded as something of the highest one can
209 00:28:30:05 00:28:35:00 The
accusers say that Sai Baba has molested his disciples sexually during
210 00:28:35:03 00:28:39:18 It
involves young men and boys, including
211 00:28:39:21 00:28:43:24 Sai Baba and his
organisation have so far rejected all allegations.
212 00 28:44:02 00:28:49:06 They
characterize the allegations as an evil campaign based on second-hand
213 00:28:49:09 00:28:55:07 Danish
Radio has spoken to a number of ex-disciples who have been molested.
One time he had his robe almost completely off and he tried to have anal
sex with me, because he came from behind me and started climbing up on
top of me, you know, and being that I’m so much taller than him, in
order to keep prevent it from happening, I just stood straight up and
didn’t allow him to do anything, you know, and I kind of kept pushing
him away and keep him there until ??... I know, I want to talk to you, I
want to be with you and I love you. He said, "You
don’t love me? You don’t love me?" And I would
say, "No, I love you, but I just don’t want to
have sexual relations with you."
214 00:29:32:00 00:29:36:07 The
boy and his family were showered with jewels and watches.
00:29:41:05 The family wishes to remain anonymous because they fear
the reactions of Sai Baba`s followers.
216 00:29:41:08 00:29:46:21 Today
they live in the US Midwest. The father was one of the leaders in the
American Sai movement -
217 00:29:46:24 00:29:53:22 But he broke with
the organisation when he discovered the molesting. This is the first
time they give their accounts on TV.
father) We were shocked when we heard it and the both of us just
embraced our son at that time and we said, "That’s
it. It’s over. It’s finished." And the thing that
was most impactful there, was that when we said to him, "Why
didn’t you tell us?", and he said, "The
greatest fear that I had was that my family would choose SB and I would
lose my family." And that he had lived with that
fear. And he said, "and that I would be
responsible for possibly bringing down an organisation as big as this.”
first time I had a personal experience with SB was when I was 16
old. I went to India alone with some friends in a USA group. I
was the only person in that group that he gave a personal
I went in there, and he motioned for me to lower my pants. And I
was very nervous at the time, yeah. And he waved his hand and
over and showed me some oil. And he started to rub it on my
and started kissing me. And as he was kissing me, he started
deeply, you know. And I started tensing up and, you know, not
understanding what was happening. But it seemed to me as if SB
trying to make my penis erect. He had told me not to tell
what he had done, that people wouldn’t understand it.
218 00:31:46:24 oo:31:49:21
(COMMENTATOR) the molestations went on for several
(”SAM”) The second time that
I went to see SB was in 1997. I went with my whole family and a group of
people. I believe we had about 10 people in our group. I don’t remember
exactly what happened that first day, but I know that there was physical
contact in the personal interview room. I ended up getting about 20 to
21 personal interviews within a month and a half. Then he at one time
gave me a watch and I wore it for about a week. And after about the
first week of wearing it, the gold started to fade off of the inside and
around the sides and I felt it to be kind of strange, because I felt it
was like a token of love or a spiritual gift or some sort of a …
something special, and it was just already … it was really cheap, I
could tell. The second hand was sometimes moving in different
directions, and the gold left and so I asked him in an interview, you
know, why it was changing colours and he almost got upset with me for
asking a question like that, you know. And he told me then, “I’m going
to give you a solid gold watch.” And so he made another watch for me. It
was solid gold. At the time it looked very gold on the front and the
back. And about a week later it was all faded off. It didn’t work very
well for very long. But every time we would go back into the personal
room, his wants got to be very intimate. And he was constantly having me
take out my penis and he would hold it,
sometimes put it in his mouth and look at me, and then ask me to do the
same thing or push my head down and lift his robe up. And I was gagging
and almost about to vomit. And, you know, that was probably the most
mentally break down type of thing I’ve ever done in my life, because if
I didn’t feel like at that time, like my life or my family’s happiness
or … was depending on it, I wouldn’t have done it. But my mentality at
that time … I felt like it was a life or almost death situation. You
know, this was God in human form, but that was my mental program – this
is God in human form. How could I deny him what he was trying to make me
do? There must be some deeper reason or deeper meaning that what I see.”
219 00:34:33:13 00:34:37:18
Sai Baba threatened the boy by saying that his family
would not get any more interviews -
220 00:34:37:21 00:34:41:10 If he revealed
anything to his parents.
(SAM) But there were several occasions that really made
it snap in my mind that it was no longer even possibly a spiritual
experience. I was constantly feeling the pressures of the thousands and
thousands of people outside the room that all wanted to be in the
position that I was in, and who every day almost treated me with anger
or resent, you know, because I got so much attention from SB. My
feeling, however, was, if you guys only knew what was actually going on
back there, you wouldn’t even want to be in my shoes, because it’s not
very funny. (to next shot)
221 00:35:20:12 00:35:24:04
This family was far from being the only one who
222 00:35:24:07 00:35:29:04
The police in USA, Germany and France have received
formal charges from ex-disciples.
223 00:35:29:07 00:35:33:12 Twenty
reports were deposited with the Indian authorities in March
224 00:35:33:15 00:35:38:04
The court in India has still not decided how it
deal with the formal
225 00:35:38:07 00:35:45:06
One of the accusers lives in Boston. His mother is a
fervent follower of Baba, and he was too for six years.
(JED GEYERHAHN) In 1989 when I was 15 years old I went to India for
three weeks. And on that trip I had four interviews. And in the third
interview he actually asked me to untie my pants. And he forcibly pulled
my pants down and with his bare hand grabbed my groin and rubbed some
oil on the side of my scrotum. And I went again on the following year,
and on that trip when I was 16 years old, SB called me again for a
private interview. At that point I was even actually more uncomfortable
because it seemed like this had already taken place, there is no reason
why it needed to take place again. But he asked me to take my pants
down. I did and he went on and produced an oily substance and rubbed it
on the side of my scrotum.
226 00:36:34:10 00:36:38:15
According to Jed Geyerhahn, he is far from being
GEYERHAHN) I have talked with students at SB’s school and they have had
sexual relationships with SB. And it’s really common knowledge that
several students stay with SB all night on an ongoing basis. And of
course nobody talks about what takes place with these students with SB,
but from the students I’ve talked to (it’s) clear that there are sexual
relationships taking place. And in fact one student I talked to directly
was a person that was staying with SB. And from the conversation it was
clear that it was very difficult for him to come forward with this
information, because he’d be rejected by his family and by his culture
and by his people, unlike American students who
have the support of their culture and society and family. They come
forward and talk about the fact that they have been mistreated by
really helped me was when I had some conversations with some other
people who had had similar experienes. Because I felt, that if they had
had experiences as intense, or close to as intense as mine, I could talk
to them about it more openly than I could talk to my dad. So we had
talked about it, and all the people that I had talked about it were
equally confused about it as I was. However, also equally brainwashed
and allowing it to continue to take place. So I would say that finally I
decided that I was not going to put myself into that position again,
because life without SB was going to be a better life.”
227 00:38:26:03 00:38:29:06 When
his son at last told him what was going on -
228 00:38:29:09 00:38:34:18 - the father broke
all connection with Sai Baba and resigned as leader of a part of the
movement in America.
(SAM’S FATHER) I could see the
manipulation that had been done. The threats, the pressure, the
responsibility to bring this boy along, to keep him around for
years as Baba’s plaything.
229 00:38:53:16 00:38:58:13
The father says that he complained to the highest leader
in the organisation in the USA.
(SAM’S FATHER) We told him every single detail. And honestly, I would
say that he was genuinely shaken. He made comments like, "Faith
has to be restored. Words will not be enough. I hate to think that 25
years of my life had been for nothing, had been a waste. We MUST talk to
Baba about this." And he asked us, "Please,
please, do not tell anyone about this until we’ve had a chance to talk
to Baba." He said, "I will
go, I will be there for his birthday."
He was called in and he specifically adressed the situation with our
family. Baba was very clear exactly which family it was. He said,
"Baba, I need to talk to you about inappropriate action
that this family says you’ve had with their son."
Baba’s response was: "Swami is pure."
The next day Baba gave his big birthday discourse, and in that discourse
he praised this individual, that man who is the head of the
organisation, more than he had ever praised anyone else before, saying
what an incredible devotee he was, and all that he had done. And a
friend of mine who had videotaped it and had it, was approached
afterwards by this man. He said, "Oh, did you get
that on tape?" He said, "It
was the peak of my life." So when he returned and
he called me, he said, "I’ve done what I said I
would do. I’ve kept my word. I spoke to Baba. Baba’s response is:
'Swami is pure,' and he said that
you would return." And he said, "My
heart and my mind are on Swami. You have to do whatever you have to do."
And I just ... I felt that he just couldn’t face it.
230 00:41:03:04 00:41:06:24 Conny
Larsson was a faithful disciple of Sai Baba for 21 years.
231 00:41:07:02 00:41:10:13
For many years, Conny Larsson has run a home for drug
users in Sweden.
232 00:41:10:16 00:41:15:13
And he took patients along with him to India many times
so that they might be cured by Sai Baba.
233 00:41:15:16 00:41:22:12
At present, Conny Larsson works in southern Poland
teaching personel within the social
care sector and in prisons.
234 00:41:22:15 00:41:29:17 Previously, he was
one of the two top leaders of the Swedish Sai Baba Organisation.
LARSSON) It was like this. From when I was four years old until I was
eight, I was misused by a pedophile, my dad's
best friend and boss. And he raped me every Friday evening, when the pay
came. And they’d have
drinks and when my dad dropped off, he violated me orally in our toilet.
And after that I came to Sai Baba, who I believed to be my God and my
saviour, and then I was invited in to the inner interview room. And that
was when he pulled my pants down and took out my penis and began to rub
it in with oil then began to masturbate me, onani - that is. And after
that he would of course want to suck me too. And I stood there quite
speechless, and couldn’t quite figure out what was really happening
then. What he wanted then was that I should suck him, so he pulled up
his smock like this and then he pulled out his small penis – about so
large – and thought that I would suck him, but I couldn’t, because I
came to think of the violation episode when I was a child, so it was not
on. I had a nauseous feeling and, in that way, got Sai Baba to realise
that I just couldn’t. And then he dropped it. But he still really wanted
to masturbate me.
235 00:42:49:04 00:42:56:16 Conny
Larsson believed in Sai Baba as a god and accepted his sexual
236 00:42:56:19 00:43:02:19 He
broke away – he was a mature adult at the time - only when he
experienced the treatment given by Sai Baba to a Swedish family.
(CONNY LARSSON) It was when we went
in June - June, 16 1999 – a group from Gothenburg went down to
and then there was a boy who is listed on this passenger list.
this boy was lured into the inner interview room while his
outside. And then I heard what occurred, of a sexual nature, in
because I have myself been behind this 'curtain
of shame' as I call it today. And it was so
audible that I got embarrassed. And when Baba had gone and the cushion
he has a back support that had fallen forward, I
took care to replace that cushion - for I was sitting just beside it -
like this. And when I was about to put the cushion back, to my great
surprise I saw that, in the rear end of the chair and furthest within
the seat, lies gold watches, gold necklaces, gold
rings, and other bits and pieces, which he later - when the boy had come
out – he comes out satisfied and happy, and smacks his lips. And then he
sits down and has the impudence directly to confront the mother, who is
looking at her boy and wondering what has happened to him, and asks her
”What do you want?” Then he has the nerve to cheat and do a
sleight-of-and materialisation, which I saw with my own eyes when he
took it with his hand behind his back. And not only rape or seduce the
boy in there, but fool the mother and all of us outside that he could
manifest things, when everything had been lying behind his cushion. And
then, so to speak, then the penny really dropped for me. Just think, my
mind said, and then I understood that I have been deceived spiritually
and physically, the whole world is fooled spiritually and
237 00:45:08:06 00:45:12:19 What
happened to you after you stood forth in opposition to Sai Baba?
LARSSON) I was threatened that I would be shot when I should go to
Poland. And now one has tried a new tactic, from the Sai movement, and
that is to send out messages about me saying I am a convicted pedophile.
They have, so to speak, turned around the entire problematic and say
that what Sai Baba is guilty of - pedophilia – is what I am guilty of. I
and the other guys who have dared to speak out – it is us who are
pedophiles. And they have send this announcement out across the globe.
And Sai followers believe it.
238 00:45:47:16 00:45:52:02 When the matter came
out, many Swedish followers left the movement.
00:45:55:19 The Danish leaders,
however, reject all accusations.
00:46:01:11 The leader of the
Sai Baba organisation in Denmark is Thorbjø rn Meyer. He is a
in ethics at the Business High School in
241 00:46:01:14 00:46:04:23 He is also the boss
for Sai Baba in Europe.
(CONNY LARSSON) - speaking about T.
Meyer] He is the strongest, most powerful person in the whole of
being the leader in Europe. He knows about
242 00:46:19:13 00:46:23:17 But
Thorbjørn Meyer would not participate in this
00:46:23:20 00:46:31:00 Thorbjørn
who is here kneeling for Sai Baba, was invited to see DR’s
documentation, but he
244 00:46:33:22 00:46:40:06 Instead,
he sent a letter to DR and called the allegations undocumented and
245 00:46:43:02 00:46:46 22 We
also asked the travel leader, Lidvin Virkesdal, to comment on the
246 00:46:47:00 00:46:51:19 but
neither did he wish to contribute to our broadcast on this matter.
instead referred to Peter Pruzan, a professor at Copenhagen’s
248 00:46:56:06 00:47:00:02 He
has been a faithful Sai Baba follower for many years.
249 00:47:00:05 00:47:08:04 What
is truth? That these people perhaps have had some experiences
have experienced in their brains, in their
250 00:47:08:07 00:47:13:12 (JOURNALIST)
They tell of direct, physical experiences as
251 00:47:13:15 00:47:18:17 What
is the truth? I am not saying that these people are lying -
252 00:47:18:20 00:47:22:15 -
that they are not telling what they think they have experienced.
253 00:47:22:18 00:47:26:14 In
Jerusalem there are hundreds of
254 00:47:26:17 00:47:31:13 -
who are in psychiatric hospitals,
255 00:47:31:16 00:47:38: 21 who are convinced
that they have experienced Jesus. People can experience many things. It
is not my errand here to talk to you about this
256 00:47:38:24 00:47:44:02 You ask me for my
reaction to what I have seen and heard, and I have given it.
00:47:48:14 Do you mean that
all that they say is completely untrue?
258 00 47:48:17 00:47:51:08 If
you ask me what I
259 00:47:51:11 00:47:57:04 I
would say that Sai Baba, his organisation and his teaching stand for
260 00:47:57:07 00:48:04:17 I
mean it stands for the message that we should become better people.
261 00:48:04:20 00:48:10:21 It
is an organisation that bases itself on the service of society.
us the way we should experience
262 00:48:10:24 00:48:15:18 -
But I asked you if Sai Baba is a pedophile?
263 :48:16:21 00:48:22:12 We also showed
Professor Pruzan the shots showing Sai Baba’s conjuring tricks.
264 00:48:22:15 00:48:30:12 If you ask me
whether what Sai Baba does is swindle, my answer is definitely not.
265 00:48:30:15 00:48:37:05 I
can answer like that because I have experienced it personally.
266 00:48:37:08 00:48:44:06 Sai Baba does
things, both on the plane of materialisations -
267 00:48:44:09 00:48:50:11 and on other planes
– such as with respect to health and healing.
268 00:48:50:14 00:48:56:14 - that for me is
completely clear evidence of certain powers -
269 00:48:56:17 00:49:01:00 - that are beyond
what a conjurer has.
270 00:49:01:03 00:49:07:05 Experience that I
have had have been both in India in proximity to Sai Baba -
271 00:49:07:08 00:49:10:23 - but have truly
also been in my home in Gentofte.
272 00:49:11:01 00:49:14:24 They are of such a
nature and of such power -
273 00:49:15:02 00:49:19:16 that I am not for a
moment in doubt of -
274 00:49:19:19 00:49:24:19 The authenticity of
these wholly extraordinary powers.
275 00:49:27:23 00:49:31:22 (COMMENTATOR)
UNESCO reacted to the accusations of pedophilia last year.
276 00:49:32:00 00:49:39:00 The United Nations
organisation withdrew its support for an international conference on
education in Sai Baba’s home village, Puttaparti.
277 00:49:39:03 00:49:46:21 UNESCO wrote, in a
press release, that they were deeply worried about the many allegations
of sexual abuse of children and youth.
278 00:49:49:04 00:49:54:11 In Denmark,
however, the movement is expanding and wants to build up an
international high school.
279 00:49:54:14 00:50:00:08 (HELGE FRIIS, THE
MAYOR) It is unusual that citizens approach us to this extent.
280 00:50:00:11 00:50:03:17 I have had many
letters and e-mails and, further, I have been contacted by an incredible
number of people -
281 00:50:03:20 00:50:08:19 - both by people
who directly ring me up, but also when I walk about town or been to
282 00:50:08:22 00:50:14:23 People have clapped
me on the shoulder and said 'That there must not
happen here in Fredriksvaerk. Those people there must therefore be kept
283 00:50:15:01 00:50:19:11 - Are you afraid of
I am not in general afraid of strangers.
284 00:50:19:14 00:50:24:23
But I want to make clear that there are considerably
many of these allegations about pedophilia.
285 00:50:25:01 00:50:29:09
- about conjuring and about financial
286 00:50:29:12 00:50:33:19
- that the movement has had difficulties in refuting.
287 00:50:33:22 00:50:39:16 The
authorities – that is to say, the Ministry of Religion - have recognised
the organisation as a religious Community recognised by the state -
288 00:50:39:19 00:50:43:13 And
have thereby given it the right to tax deduction.
289 (00:50:43:16 00:50:48:19 (TOVE FERGO – DANISH
MINISTER OF RELIGION) If it is true that you have documented...
290 00:50:48:22 00:50:54:11 if
it is correct that completely
291 00:50:54:14 00:50:57:24 and
inhuman interferences with children
292 00:50:58:02 00:51:02:13 -
I am ready to withdraw their
293 00:51:02:16 00:51:08:00
I have just partaken in a large international
about the sexual exploitation of
294 00:51:08:03 00:51:12:14
And if we really mean anything by the final
295 00:51:12:17 00:51:17:11
- that we will combat sexual exploitation of
296 00:51:17:14 00:51:23:15
then we must stop children being destroyed and abused
297 00:51:23:18 00:51:27:01 -
and that interferences of this kind
298 00:51:28:13 00:51:35:14
In India, the critics have major difficulty in getting
the authorities to begin to investigate against Sai Baba.
(SANAL EDAMARUKU) The
media is scared, basically. For example when the big scandal about SB’s
sexual abuse on people arose. And look at the Indian media. There was
only one newspaper from New Delhi which produced the story. People are
so afraid, so scared because he is politically powerful and his
influence is so real and he can damage if he is criticised. Anybody
(who) criticises is eliminated, or attacked or cornered or isolated.
Having a press conference on SB’s 70th birthday, the very next day I
found that my car parts were removed in the morning so that I could
simply have an accident. It could look like a
coincidence. Such things happen several times, but we are not afraid. We
are not going to be cowed down by that thing. We’re waiting for that
time that people come out openly and expose this cheat, the best cheat
that times have ever produced.
299 00:52:31:13 00:52:35:03 The
security in Puttaparthi around Sai Baba is
300 00:52:35:06 00:52:39:08
In 1993, four young men were killed in his apartment.
(Translator – In fact, six young men were killed in all in his
apartment, two attendants were first knifed by the intruders)
301 00:52:39:11 00:52:45:10 Armed with knives,
they forced their way into the ashram but were shot by the police. A
policeman who was working at the police station in Puttaparthi at that
time told me that the boys had come there and said to Sai Baba, ”Now
there will be a bit of a stop to these sexual assualts on small boys.”
Sai Baba them locked them in - he was angry – locked them in, went and
pressed the alarm button for the police. The police came and they
received the go-ahead from Sai Baba to take over the matter, and they
could hear the boys up in Sai Baba’s bedroom and living room for four
hours. And later the police thought it so dangerous to let them out to
the people who were waiting outside that they quite simply executed them
after four hour’s of interrogation.
302 00:53:27:19 00:53:32:04 (COMMENTATOR) This
picture of one of the bodies is from the news magazine 'India
303 00:53:32:07 00:53:35:20 Larsson cannot tell
whether the policeman's version is correct.
304 00:53:35:23 00:53:42:15 Neither the
authorities nor Sai Baba have make known exactly what had happened in
305 00:53:42:18 00:53:48:18 DR Documentaries
would have liked to have interviewed Sai Baba himself, but were not
allowed access to the guru.
00:53:52:16 Only once has he
publicly commented on the accusations of sexual
307 00:53:52:19 00:53:58:24 This occurred last
year. He accused his opponents of being paid to slander him .
(SAM) Sometimes I feel so stupid because it took me so
long to finally come to my senses. But I guess
the mind - the brain – is like a powerful tool. If you think one thing
it’s difficult to change the mind and finally wake up and realise what’s
(CONNY LARSSON) The group pressure in
where I most often went during my 32 visits, was enormous, and
everything was so organised every minute, from three in the
nine at night, so one hardly had any chance to get away.
so strongly structured. It was sort of just to swallow it all,
and so we
were deceived. We were shown Sai Baba's gold and tinsel and
he had done, and they spoke about the dead who had arisen, and
who had walked. It was Jesus for sure! And then they said that
Jesus’ Father, who had sent Jesus here. And when one saw him,
believed that it was like that. The pressure was so great.
yourself sitting with 10,000 or 100,000 or 500,000 people –
occasionally – and everyone is only singing his praise. It can’t
done, there is no person who can withstand that unless one has
there purposely due to suspicion. But I did not do that. I came
because I needed a father, and Sai Baba fulfilled all the